How *does* one sell a car without a title?

"Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom" (will-alib) 10/31/2018 at 13:29 • Filed to: None

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I saw this ad on FB Marketplace for a 2014 CLS in Brooklyn for $15k . Just for the halibut, I pinged the seller and asked how he can sell the car w/o a title. The response was “I’m not even going to answer that. Have a good day.”

I assume there’s a mechanic’s lien and the seller is trying to recoup what they have into it because the owner stiffed them on a repair bill? Even if that’s the case how can they sell a car w/o a title?

Ad copy: READ READ READ READ READ READ READ READ RAED READ READ READ READ READ READ READ This car DOES NOT have a clear title MEAN LIEN ON TITLE .OWNER WILL NOT PAY LIEN .USE FOR PARTS. PARTS PARTS PARTS OR DEALER PLATES OR PLATES PLATES PLATES So bring plates and put on the car and drive home you have dealer plates or something call me Have a 2014 Mercedes Benz CL550 4matic AMG package not the engine just the sport package for my Benz people. Car has 60k miles .gun metal with black interior. This car title is not clear. So bring plates and put on the car and drive home .you have dealer plates or something call me Call [hidden information] Don’t waste your time with silly questions READ AD I see this car going for over 30k same year and more miles ha ha ha SERIOUS BUYERS CASH MONEY PAPER BREAD CHEESE CASH MONEY TALK

CalzoneGolem > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2018 at 13:43

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I don’t know about modern cars but I could sell you a Model A with a bill of sale and that would work for you to get it on the road. 

Arrivederci > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2018 at 13:45

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I’m just taking a wild stab here, but I think if you get a bill of sale, you can use that to apply for a title.  Of course, you’d have to have done your due diligence to make sure that the seller can legally sell you the car.  Otherwise, when you apply for the title, the VIN will pop and the car will come up as stolen or some other horrible situation where you lose all of the money you paid.

nermal > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2018 at 13:46

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This is a stolen car.

If there were in fact a mechanic’s lien on it, there would be steps the mechanic would go through in order to claim an actual title for it.

HammerheadFistpunch > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2018 at 13:47

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If it tru ly has a full and legal mechanics lien then the title is now in his name and he can legally sell it with a clean title.  This is sketchy as frig.

HammerheadFistpunch > nermal 10/31/2018 at 13:49

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yup.

Tapas > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2018 at 13:49

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That’s some c razy shit.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > CalzoneGolem 10/31/2018 at 13:50

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That’s because Model A’s don’t have VINs.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > HammerheadFistpunch 10/31/2018 at 13:50

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Pretty much what I assumed. Also pretty ballsy to use FB to sell a hot car.

Thanks Mr Squirrel.

Matt Nichelson > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2018 at 13:56

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Did the ad have a VIN? I'd love to run an Autocheck on it

CalzoneGolem > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 10/31/2018 at 14:01

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In Maine anything you could register as a street rod doesn’t need a title.

Rico > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2018 at 14:02

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Here’s the scheme: Some random hoodstar buys it in cash, drives around with Temp plates for 6-12 months (changing the temp plates for new fake ones every time it’s set to “expire”) then sell it off again to someone else who will do the same. There’s a car near my area that’s had “temp plates” for going on 2 years.

Future Heap Owner > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2018 at 14:03

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I just assume every car someone’s trying to sell without a title  on CL/FB is stolen. I don’t see why, if you did just lose the title, you wouldn’t apply for a new title (DMV here has a form specifically for lost titles) because it would make it so much easier to sell, and for a lot more money.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2018 at 14:10

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READ READ READ READ READ READ READ READ RAED READ READ READ READ READ READ READ

If an ad starts like this I’m 100% not going to read it. 

Shift24 > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2018 at 14:13

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Better question is how you buy one.

Sort answer, you don’ t . Normally if its not a parts car or some POS car the family has had forever, its s tolen. That car is hot and would not touch it as you could get arrested or fined for having stolen goods.

Any car that is registered you can go to the DMV and request a new title. If you are the owner that is. I think its filled as a lost title and it takes like a week but you can get a new title.

Long answer to a car that hasnt been registered in a long time or never . For instance l e ts say an old car that you bought out of state but the owner lost the title. There are hoops you have to jump through to get the car register able (i.e. have a title). No matter what you will have to go in front of a judge and it can be at his discretion.   A Bill of S ale that is notified is a great way to start but even then it might not be enough . The key thing to the courts is you have to prove ownership or they can seize it and consider it stolen (even if its not). Then they will sell it at a state auction with a title most likely.

Also dont bring the car to the DMV right away if you dont have a title. It can be taken right there and then, again considered stolen property because you cant prove you own the car.

ateamfan42 > CalzoneGolem 10/31/2018 at 14:25

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Also anything 1995 and older doesn’t need a title. Just a bill of sale and you can register it.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2018 at 14:36

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Yeah, that car’s stolen.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > CalzoneGolem 10/31/2018 at 14:51

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So if you attacked this thing with a plasma cutter and made it look like a T-bucket that should do it, yeah?  

CalzoneGolem > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2018 at 15:20

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Pretty much

http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_123rd/billpdfs/SP061501.pdf

CalzoneGolem > ateamfan42 10/31/2018 at 15:21

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This is also true.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 10/31/2018 at 15:25

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Kinda makes me wonder if NYC Police comb FB and Craigslist ads for shit like this.

winterlegacy, here 'till the end > CalzoneGolem 10/31/2018 at 16:50

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I love how our state’s law is just “eh, it looks like a classic car, here, have a street rod plate”

CalzoneGolem > winterlegacy, here 'till the end 11/01/2018 at 09:23

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All you need is one notarized document.